Can the EU survive without NATO and the US?

There have been growing calls for a united European defence strategy to confront security threats and global crises. Leaders including EU Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen have highlighted the need for the bloc to increase its military capabilities. But can the EU survive without NATO and the United States? Join host Hazem Sika. With guests:  Thorsten Benner – Co-founder and director of the Global Public Policy Institute. Theresa Fallon – Director of Centre for Russia Europe Asia Studies. Glenn Diesen – Professor of International Relations at the University of South-Eastern Norway.